I stayed there for a couple of years and it wasn't very constructive, I didn't learn anything there, I just enjoyed myself, but I wanted to do more and I knew where there was a works that interested itself in motorcars and accessories and ancillaries, tyres, batteries, all the things that needed attention on a motorcar. And I was able to persuade the proprietor, a tall rangy American that I was the chap he wanted in this building and he took me on, again at 10 shillings a week. So that was a very happy arrangement for me and there I learnt how to retread tyres. The war was on and tyres were in short supply and we would retread them, fairly badly I think, but at least they had treads and would run and we were always advising the purchasers not to corner wildly and never to exceed 30 miles an hour because there might be difficulty with the tyres. And they were very happy, very happy to move about and they could get their cars maintained and on the road, and we did the same with the batteries, repaired the batteries. In those days, of course everything came up for repair. Nowadays, if the battery gets to that, a man goes out and buys another battery, but in those days you had the battery repaired and you'd save. If a battery were a Pound, then you would repair it for five shillings and save 15 shillings. And it's extraordinary things carried an extra sixpence. Everything was so many shillings and sixpence, and the sixpences you see were not very significant to the purchaser, but they added up at the end of the day. Sometimes one would spend two hours repairing a motorcar tyre and I mean it would be grossly uneconomical today, but in those days if you spent two hours on that and you charged the man five bob, he is very happy, he's got his car back on the road for five bob and we're very happy we've got five bob, otherwise it would have just been thrown away. But they were very lean days. Nothing was thrown away without it being repaired to the point of exhaustion. You couldn't do any more with it and then it could be discarded. I stayed in that job for a couple of years and during that time we took an interest in the entertainment business. My boss had taken an interest in cinematographs and he had a cinematograph machine and some films and he decided that he would go into making these things for sale to the public. There was a war on and the cinemas were closed, theatres were closed. Only those with a radio or some home entertainment could get any pleasure out of the arts and the sciences because they just weren't available in those days. And so we started to make these machines and we became very adept at it and there were several different sized films in those days. It was all very confusing because there was a great deal of competition between different manufacturers, Kodak and Pathe and Western Electric all had their own systems and so we were forever finding ways of turning this machine into what was that machine and vice versa. And so it was very constructive and interesting and I learnt a lot there, and in particular, I learnt about electricity, how to use it on these things and the amplifiers from the sound. And then I felt that I ought to advance this knowledge of electricity and so I left that job and I went to another firm in North London, Franco British Electric, and I took a job there and to my astonishment, they paid me £2 a week. It was quite extraordinary that I should jump from this small amount, 10 bob up to £2. And I found I was getting the money for nothing because I wasn't doing anything and I wasn't trusted to do anything, I wasn't considered to be able to know anything and the trade unions wouldn't let me do anything because that would be taking work away from a mature member of the trade union. So it was all terribly restrictive and mealy-mouthed mingy, and I didn't really learn anything there. Soon I was 18 and then of course I was directed into the army.