It happened so that the editor of Pravda... Pravda, Yuri Zhukov, decided – that was in maybe '69, decided that '68 in America the year '68, actually it was late in '69, yes – that there is this very anti-American movement in American like Chicago Eight, whatever, and that he wants to do a book on them and he wants to meet them.

[Q] Seven.

Seven?

[Q] Yes, seven.

Seven, the Chicago Seven? Or eight? And so... and I was... did some pieces on cinema and for Iskustvo Kino which is the main film magazine in... was, those days in Moscow, so he sort of knew me from that, the name, so he approached me to into... for introduction, that could I introduce him to Allan Ginsberg to a number of people. So I said okay, sure. So he did that book and he did also... and that he gave me a chapter and later he saw The Brig and he thought it was a great anti-American film and that it should be shown in Moscow at the Moscow Film Festival which they did in... I think 1970. Then in '71 said, 'You should come to also to the Moscow Film Festival'. So I said, 'Sure, I've never been in Moscow so I will come'. And said at the same time I would like to go if you are going to Moscow maybe I could go also to Lithuania and visit my mother.

So there was long several months of silence and then thanks to Zhukov he persuaded them that they would allow me to go to... otherwise you could not go. So there I am in Moscow and I said, 'I should go and visit my friend Zhukov in Pravda' and, of course, all those delegations and... You cannot imagine what it meant when you pronounced the word Pravda, the... and when the delegation there from Lithuania discovered that I am friends with somebody, with the editor of Pravda, suddenly they did not know how to take me, I must be maybe an important, with secrets, you know, I could be a spy working really like that with Zhukov and Soviet Union so... 'You want a taxi? You want a...' I said, 'I want to go'. 'And what do you want to do in Moscow?' I said, 'I want to go and say hello to Zhukov', they went white practically. So they were in panic, they found me a taxi fast and I went and while they waited in the corridors there I had tea with Zhukov, I filmed it all and it appears in my Song of Moscow that will be shown at the New York Film Festival, the little moment for having tea with Zhukov. So I say, 'Can I really go to Lithuania and visit my mother?' 'Oh, of course you can'. So now, of course, nobody resisted and from there on the all the secret police, the Lithuanian, they did everything that I told them to do because they did not know how to take me.