And then, of course, the war broke out and my mother was very upset she said... she said, 'The war is,' I remember her saying this, she said, 'War is one of the most... it's the most terrible thing that can happen to a country'. Yes, she was very, very upset.

There were no immediate effects, the day after war broke out wasn't any different to the day before war broke out, because it took some time for the air raids to begin, and all that. There was a, sort of a, like a busman's holiday, you know, there was an interval where nothing much happened. But my father was... eventually they started arresting all the aliens, as they were called. And my father was taken off to another camp, but it was rather better than Sachsenhausen. He was taken off to the Isle of Man, just in time to miss the Blitz. So, my mother and I spent every night in the shelter in the Blitz, and he was sitting, very comfortably, in the Isle of Man. And, eventually they had these tribunals and he was released, because when he was given a clean bill of health, as it were, that he wasn't a spy, then they released him and we all got together again, and lived in Richmond, happily ever after, sort of.