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Fraud in science


The supremacy of humans over animals
Avrion Mitchison Scientist
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I profoundly believe that humans come first and animals come second and that-
Why do you believe that?
I just do. I think that's a part of being a human being.
But if you were a mouse you would think mice come first.
Well I think mice aren't clever enough to think about it in that way.
But it isn't, we have a moral-
No. Also, from what I know about mice, they aren't as nice to one another as humans are. I think altruism is relatively rare, is a less important factor in animals than it is in man, even in the higher apes I think that's true.
There are some places one has question about people being nice to other people.
Oh, God, yes, I mean that's also true that I've never heard of a mouse holocaust.

Avrion Mitchison, the British zoologist, is currently Professor Emeritus at University College London and is best known for his work demonstrating the role of lymphocytes in tumour rejection and for the separate and cooperative roles of T- and B-lymphocytes in this and other processes.

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Martin Raff is a Canadian-born neurologist and research biologist who has made important contributions to immunology and cell development. He has a special interest in apoptosis, the phenomenon of cell death.



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Duration: 1 minute, 7 seconds

Date story recorded: June 2004

Date story went live: 29 September 2010