I went on to... to write... I more or less finished two books while she was alive, but they... they were long poems often... assemblages. There's a long one called, Baseball, which is nine parts, called, nine innings, naturally, each of nine stanzas, and each stanza of nine lines, and each line of nine syllables just a... an awkward or funny exo skeleton on which I could hang everything I ever knew... everything I‘ve ever found out about. There was also a book of pseudo translations of Horace - a first book of Odes - where I kinda invented a character I called Horace Horsecollar, who was a minor cartoon character in Disney cartoons, way, way back and Horace Horsecollar was thinking he was translating Horace but when Horace talked about Mercury, Horace Horsecollar thought he was talking about a General Motors automobile, so, but it allowed me all sorts of opportunities for...  It was another kind of exoskeleton... that... into which I could pour all sorts of concerns - political and personal concerns, and ironies.  It became the title poem or collection of a book called, The Museum of Clear Ideas - that was the Horace stuff, which included Baseball and others. Meantime the... private life went on - Jane had her struggles with depression and with occasional mania. She just sweated it out day after day. She wrote a wonderful poem... a long poem called Having it Out with Melancholy, which was her major attack on depression, and other poems included moments of ecstatic happiness - very bipolar.  And when she wrote Having it Out with Melancholy, she had to fight against her own sense of shame, of making public her mental problems, but at the same time, she knew that if she did it, it would help other people.  And I'll never forget the first time she read it aloud.  There's a Robert... old Robert Frost house, in Franconia, New Hampshire where she did a reading, and she read it, and afterwards there were 20 or 30 people lined up to talk to her who were themselves depressives or from the families of depressives and were thanking her for bringing it out, and talking about it.