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Social interest in the Round Table


Democratisation as a mental attitude
Jacek Kuroń Social activist
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[Q] Jacek, our entire history if you take into consideration the periods '56, '68, '70 - we pass from hope to crisis...

I am opposed to this kind of thinking. I understand it very well, understand that that's how it can be but it's not a way of thinking but a mental attitude, it's depressive. In its extreme form it's called manic-depression. Whereas what I'm saying is that this is a process and it's going on indefinitely so it's an indefinite process which is moving forward all the time. It moves in a zig-zag pattern but there are no failures there.

[Q] Jacku, to co nasza cała historia, jeśli weźmiesz pod uwagę te okresy '56, '68' '70 – to to wciąż przechodzimy z nadziei do kryzysu.

Właśnie ja się sprzeciwiam takiemu myśleniu. Ja je rozumiem świetnie, ale... rozumiem, że ono może takie być, ale to nie jest myślenie tylko nastroje psychiczne. Taki skrajny przypadek to stany depresyjno maniakalne, to się nazywa. Natomiast ja opowiadam, że tu się dokonuje proces, który trwa nieustannie, który nieustannie jest procesem do przodu. Są w nim różne zygzaki, ale klęsk w nim nie ma.


The late Polish activist, Jacek Kuroń (1934-2004), had an influential but turbulent political career, helping transform the political landscape of Poland. He was expelled from the communist party, arrested and incarcerated. He was also instrumental in setting up the Workers' Defence Committee (KOR) and later became a Minister of Labour and Social Policy.

Listeners: Jacek Petrycki Marcel Łoziński

Cinematographer Jacek Petrycki was born in Poznań, Poland in 1948. He has worked extensively in Poland and throughout the world. His credits include, for Agniezka Holland, Provincial Actors (1979), Europe, Europe (1990), Shot in the Heart (2001) and Julie Walking Home (2002), for Krysztof Kieslowski numerous short films including Camera Buff (1980) and No End (1985). Other credits include Journey to the Sun (1998), directed by Jesim Ustaoglu, which won the Golden Camera 300 award at the International Film Camera Festival, Shooters (2000) and The Valley (1999), both directed by Dan Reed, Unforgiving (1993) and Betrayed (1995) by Clive Gordon both of which won the BAFTA for best factual photography. Jacek Petrycki is also a teacher and a filmmaker.

Film director Marcel Łoziński was born in Paris in 1940. He graduated from the Film Directing Department of the National School of Film, Television and Theatre in Łódź in 1971. In 1994, he was nominated for an American Academy Award and a European Film Academy Award for the documentary, 89 mm from Europe. Since 1995, he has been a member of the American Academy of Motion Picture Art and Science awarding Oscars. He lectured at the FEMIS film school and the School of Polish Culture of Warsaw University. He ran documentary film workshops in Marseilles. Marcel Łoziński currently lectures at Andrzej Wajda’s Master School for Film Directors. He also runs the Dragon Forum, a European documentary film workshop.

Tags: democratisation, mental attitude, manic-depression

Duration: 41 seconds

Date story recorded: 1987

Date story went live: 12 June 2008