Nobody knew when the war will end and how long it will last. So, here we are, slaving and we had a friend who was a, a Lithuanian, but- and he was with us in Elmshorn, with us for some, for about two months, that he was a medical, advanced, like, medical student and Germans needed medical people so he was taken out of the camp and he was given a job in the hospital, but he also had quite, he had studied in Sweden and Denmark and he, he was very connected with people there so he knew, he told us that in Denmark, and he knew exactly where, the specific place, where we can contact some of his friends who had boats and we could escape to Sweden. So, I said, let's take, and this is also very naive of course, we were naive, we took our chances. So I said, why don't we ask our, the factory to transfer, the fact- the. the- Germany was already beginning to run out of steel and materials and they were reducing hours in the factory, so I said, why don't you transport us to, to Kiel, which was another town closer to Denmark and where, you know, they had more materials and they knew that. So, they said, okay, if we want that we had to be there in the- they said we will transport you to a prisoner camp or forced labour camp, they didn't call them forced labour camps, in Kiel. So I said, fine, so they gave us papers to go to Kiel and we crossed the canal there of Kiel and instead of reporting to where we had to we continued to Denmark. We destroyed our papers and we were sort of caught before you enter Denmark; they stop you. So, we declared ourselves just as refugees from- there were already at that time, thousands and thousands of refugees coming from the eastern parts of Germany, that they, nobody could control. So, we mixed up, mixed in with the other refugees, genuine refugees and, and if we could not, we, we, by mistake we took a wrong train, instead of going to Denmark and took us back to, towards Hamburg, but the next station we got out and we managed to find a place on a farm where they needed workers to work on a farm and that's where we, the end of the war found us on a farm working as farmers for a German farmer. We did not, never managed to go to reach Denmark, but we escaped, you know, and the heavy bombardments, bombardments of Hamburg and Elmshorn.