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Making 'Carnival'


Man Ray - valued more in death than in life
Jules Engel Film-maker
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I was influenced by him [Man Ray] as a person. Naturally, I knew his work because things were printed. But he didn't have the kind of presence that the presence became so big after he died. Because my friends had a painting by Man Ray, I think it was a gift to them. It was about four... it was about this long, of lips, of lips. That was just red lips on... this high, the painting, this long. So lips in the sky, you know, sky? Now, you see, they had that painting for a long time and they would have get maybe $3500 for it or something. When Man Ray died, that thing went to $40,000. And the poor bastard, all his life he never had $40,000. They were really, at times were starving, you know, if not for the friends who kept them going. But maybe there's a price on it, up there. And then three books came out on Man Ray and stuff like that. But you see how sad that is... all his life he has nothing. The minute he died, he became... well he would have been a wealthy man if he stayed alive. He would sell like that, you see? So... and he was a sweet person, sweet person. No fights, no problems. But say something stupid about contemporary art or something, then he'll get... he'll get to you heavy. So that's Man Ray a sweet person, you know? And Julie the drunk. That's a combination!

The late Hungarian-American film-maker Jules Engel is best known for his contribution to the field of animation. His work includes the dance sequences in Walt Disney's 'Fantasia' and the creation of 'Mr Magoo'. His films and lithographs are housed in museums all over the world and have won many awards.

Listeners: Bill Moritz Tamara Tracz

William Moritz received his doctorate from USC and pursues parallel careers as filmmaker and writer. His forty-four experimental and animation films have been screened at museums in Paris, Amsterdam and Tokyo, among others. He published widely on Oskar Fischinger, James Whitney, Bruce Conner, the Fleischers and 200 pages of animation history for an AbsolutVodka website. He wrote chapters for the "Oxford History of Cinema", appeared in several television documentaries, curated art exhibits and received a lifetime achievement trophy from the Netherlands Royal Academy for his work with visual music. He has served on film festival juries and received an American Film Institute filmmaking grant. His poetry and plays are also performed and published. He is a leading expert of Oskar Fischinger and recently published a biography of him. He teaches at The California Institute of the Arts.

Tamara Tracz is a writer and filmmaker based in London.

Tags: Man Ray, Juliet Browner

Duration: 1 minute, 45 seconds

Date story recorded: April 2003

Date story went live: 24 January 2008