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Making live action films in Paris


Surprising my mentor with my skill
Jules Engel Film-maker
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I think the next film was Icarus Montgolfier Wright. Because that was still, it was done in the industry but it was totally mine. And it was very interesting with Herb [Herbert Klynn] because Herb and I, you know, were very close and all that. And he knew it all, you know? So he was away when I did the film and that was a good thing that he wasn't around because then he would have been getting in my way. So when he came back from his trip, he'd been in London, he wanted to see the film. And he saw the film and he couldn't move a frame. He couldn't take out a frame, he couldn't put a frame in the damn thing and I think that I surprised the hell out of him because he was a little bit too heavy on 'I know it all', you see? And although we were dear friends, I mean, he was like my brother, or whatever. But he was pushing, he was pushing me in a direction that I was not happy with. But I liked him and we've been together all those years. So this brought us more... But it was one of those damn things when the father wants to see what the son is doing and the son is doing so well that the father say, 'Oh shit, what the...? He's good, you know? But he couldn't change a frame. It must have hurted him for years. As good friends as we were, still, he was the father.


The late Hungarian-American film-maker Jules Engel is best known for his contribution to the field of animation. His work includes the dance sequences in Walt Disney's 'Fantasia' and the creation of 'Mr Magoo'. His films and lithographs are housed in museums all over the world and have won many awards.

Listeners: Tamara Tracz Bill Moritz

Tamara Tracz is a writer and filmmaker based in London.

William Moritz received his doctorate from USC and pursues parallel careers as filmmaker and writer. His forty-four experimental and animation films have been screened at museums in Paris, Amsterdam and Tokyo, among others. He published widely on Oskar Fischinger, James Whitney, Bruce Conner, the Fleischers and 200 pages of animation history for an AbsolutVodka website. He wrote chapters for the "Oxford History of Cinema", appeared in several television documentaries, curated art exhibits and received a lifetime achievement trophy from the Netherlands Royal Academy for his work with visual music. He has served on film festival juries and received an American Film Institute filmmaking grant. His poetry and plays are also performed and published. He is a leading expert of Oskar Fischinger and recently published a biography of him. He teaches at The California Institute of the Arts.

Tags: Icarus Montgolfier Wright, London, Herbert Klynn

Duration: 1 minute, 41 seconds

Date story recorded: April 2003

Date story went live: 24 January 2008