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Animators: who gets the credit?


Advice to young animators
Jules Engel Film-maker
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Most of the talent, the young talent, want to see films. But if they want to go beyond that, they should see performances of dancers and stuff like that. Because that is what... you move, you move, you move, you move. And you've got to inhale that somehow, that aspect of it. So that's in you and you're not going to get it out just from still photos that the movies made. But I'm not against it because there were are lot of good films made with dancing and dealt with movement. But the talent generally would not see that. Especially if they're young people, they don't see that. They never see a play. And I encourage people, this is something that I know they would get something out of it, if you can afford it, by all means, see that. And of course, the problem is, the movie's much cheaper. It's no big deal but the ticket $45 and you go way up there, you know? Ninety bucks maybe, you're coming up for that. That's a lot of money. So when I talk to my people here, the young people, I'm very aware that we're talking money also. And it's easy for me, go and see the Ballet Rouse the next time they're in town, you know? But the cheapest seat is $45. So, you see, you have a little problem. So you have to be a little bit aware of that aspect of it. They don't have the money, you know? And so it stops there. But I try and push them into this other terrain, that they have never been exposed to before, you know? And so that's... I do that and sometimes it costs me money.

The late Hungarian-American film-maker Jules Engel is best known for his contribution to the field of animation. His work includes the dance sequences in Walt Disney's 'Fantasia' and the creation of 'Mr Magoo'. His films and lithographs are housed in museums all over the world and have won many awards.

Listeners: Tamara Tracz Bill Moritz

Tamara Tracz is a writer and filmmaker based in London.

William Moritz received his doctorate from USC and pursues parallel careers as filmmaker and writer. His forty-four experimental and animation films have been screened at museums in Paris, Amsterdam and Tokyo, among others. He published widely on Oskar Fischinger, James Whitney, Bruce Conner, the Fleischers and 200 pages of animation history for an AbsolutVodka website. He wrote chapters for the "Oxford History of Cinema", appeared in several television documentaries, curated art exhibits and received a lifetime achievement trophy from the Netherlands Royal Academy for his work with visual music. He has served on film festival juries and received an American Film Institute filmmaking grant. His poetry and plays are also performed and published. He is a leading expert of Oskar Fischinger and recently published a biography of him. He teaches at The California Institute of the Arts.

Tags: films, ballet, motivation, animation, film, teaching, film-maker

Duration: 2 minutes, 8 seconds

Date story recorded: April 2003

Date story went live: 29 September 2010