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Matisse and Picasso - a question of influence
Jules Engel Film-maker
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I don't recall [Henri] Matisse's work. I… I recall [Pablo] Picasso had some sets he designed, yeah/ It's funny, I don't recall Matisse at all in that world, that world. But then, on Picasso, they had a lot of books and stuff on Picasso and the ballet, you know, and the design. So that you were able to buy and be aware. But in that world, I never ran into anybody else who come from like a painter, like Picasso. Yeah.

[Q] Picasso and Matisse – was their work an influence on you?

More, more Picasso, you know? But I really can't say that because if you say that, that means that your work would look like that, but I don't think that has ever happened, yet, you know? With my output, you know? Because I'm very aware of that. And although you admire those people and they're very important and it's important for you to know their work, you know? But it's better if it doesn't show in your work. Oh, that's a Picasso, that's a Matisse, you know? Then you… if it's there, then you have a problem, you have a problem.

The late Hungarian-American film-maker Jules Engel is best known for his contribution to the field of animation. His work includes the dance sequences in Walt Disney's 'Fantasia' and the creation of 'Mr Magoo'. His films and lithographs are housed in museums all over the world and have won many awards.

Listeners: Bill Moritz Tamara Tracz

William Moritz received his doctorate from USC and pursues parallel careers as filmmaker and writer. His forty-four experimental and animation films have been screened at museums in Paris, Amsterdam and Tokyo, among others. He published widely on Oskar Fischinger, James Whitney, Bruce Conner, the Fleischers and 200 pages of animation history for an AbsolutVodka website. He wrote chapters for the "Oxford History of Cinema", appeared in several television documentaries, curated art exhibits and received a lifetime achievement trophy from the Netherlands Royal Academy for his work with visual music. He has served on film festival juries and received an American Film Institute filmmaking grant. His poetry and plays are also performed and published. He is a leading expert of Oskar Fischinger and recently published a biography of him. He teaches at The California Institute of the Arts.

Tamara Tracz is a writer and filmmaker based in London.

Tags: Henri Matisse, Pablo Picasso

Duration: 1 minute, 30 seconds

Date story recorded: April 2003

Date story went live: 29 September 2010