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Reactions to independent and experimental animation


Orson Welles
Jules Engel Film-maker
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It's not Orson Welles. That I know because they making… I don't understand why he's always the number one pick of the Academy, the Citizen Kane, you know? It's horrible. I mean it's not…okay it's a tough word. But when you go to the end and all those actors become all much older and stuff, it's horrible, it's awful. And then the time he has gone with his wife, sitting up there like a stage, you know? That's another one of those things. Look at the stage, I'm watching a stage, I think, being photographed. I don't find that real, I find it like I'm watching a play, you know? But that doesn't take away from him that he's still a great... Although, although I liked him better when he did this one... he did just on television, on television, it was the very famous story, I think, from Finland or some… or some place...

[Q] The Never Ending Story?

No, no. But I've been chasing that. Maybe I was hoping I would find somebody who owns that property. It was on television, so imagine, you could only have heard it... Oh, but that was beautiful.


The late Hungarian-American film-maker Jules Engel is best known for his contribution to the field of animation. His work includes the dance sequences in Walt Disney's 'Fantasia' and the creation of 'Mr Magoo'. His films and lithographs are housed in museums all over the world and have won many awards.

Listeners: Bill Moritz Tamara Tracz

William Moritz received his doctorate from USC and pursues parallel careers as filmmaker and writer. His forty-four experimental and animation films have been screened at museums in Paris, Amsterdam and Tokyo, among others. He published widely on Oskar Fischinger, James Whitney, Bruce Conner, the Fleischers and 200 pages of animation history for an AbsolutVodka website. He wrote chapters for the "Oxford History of Cinema", appeared in several television documentaries, curated art exhibits and received a lifetime achievement trophy from the Netherlands Royal Academy for his work with visual music. He has served on film festival juries and received an American Film Institute filmmaking grant. His poetry and plays are also performed and published. He is a leading expert of Oskar Fischinger and recently published a biography of him. He teaches at The California Institute of the Arts.

Tamara Tracz is a writer and filmmaker based in London.

Tags: Citizen Kane, The Never Ending Story, Orson Welles

Duration: 1 minute, 21 seconds

Date story recorded: April 2003

Date story went live: 29 September 2010